Episode 331 Let’s Talk Niagara 4.8

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The following is a presentation of the ControlTrends Podcasting Network.

Eric Stromquist
Hi, welcome to ControlTalk. Now you’re HVAC and Smart buildings video cast and podcast forf the week ending September 22 2019. This is Eric Stromquist, where we talk about all things smart building controls, HVAC controls, and pretty much whatever’s going on in the controls industry. And I say we have it loosely this week because your co host and my man, the myth, the legend, the one the only Kenny smilers, the secret agent, man that he is, is off on another secret place in this week, leave me alone, or almost too long to get through this week’s episode, but I’m not alone completely, because I’ve got two fabulous guests from tritium, Brett Lowe, and Therese Sullivan, we’re going to talk about Niagara 4.8,they have a new security dashboard to talk about the new Ace Engine and you will get about all the cool stuff that’s packed into this new version of Niagara. So without further ado, Brett, how about introducing yourself and telling the community what you do?

Brent Lowe Tridium
Right? Hey there, everybody, my name is Brent low. I’m a product manager here at tritium. And I’ve been responsible, I’ve had my hands in a lot of different things I’ve worked on the hardware side, the embedded software side, the edge side and even some of the Niagara core working on the platform. So I’ve gotten to really jump in and learn the ropes here, tritium over the past couple years.

Eric Stromquist
Very, very cool. And of course, our next guest needs no introduction. Formally a building context may formerly the queen of Silicon Valley to resell the reseller community what you’re doing at tritium now.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
Titles titles.

But yes, I am I’m still all those other things. And I am also tritium marketing leader, customer marketing leader and I, I manage marketing communications. But I also work to stay close to the customer and bring a lot of their perspective to the kind of work Brent does in product marketing. Part of his team.

Eric Stromquist
Yeah, well, that’s really cool. And Theresa course, you know, I mean, you know, Kenny and I are both thrilled, absolutely thrilled that you were training. Well, we think you bring so much value, because we need before you came on at tritium, but talk a bit about so you know, because I think you brought a new perspective to, you know, communicating with the customers, but you know, trading has always been so, you know, customer centric, but talk about your philosophy, and you know, and sort of how customers engage with you and how you engage with customers and sort of how that works. And then how that sort of evolves around to things like the new product we’re going to talk about in a few minutes.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
Well, I think, all the years that I was doing building context, I did meet a lot of customers, I did meet a lot of going to the various conferences, the Stanford’s of the world’s the Fords of the worlds. And I. So I bring all that writing in interviewing that I did over those years to this job. And I’m get to meet all those people and going from conference to conference. And, yeah, I was at Stanford, like, a month ago. And so I mean, you should get you should get there, Eric, they’ve got everybody’s product in and as you know, because I’m still Queen of Silicon Valley. That’s only, like 15 minutes away. To check out everything that there are, I wouldn’t say piloting, I’d say, you know, they’re they’re really using and various buildings, and including a lot of tritium. So it’s there. And then it’s, it’s kind of that you just go through. And now I don’t do it alone. As a journalist type person, I go in with more product management type people, and account management type people. And so I get to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly, as you guys always said, I’m always all good. It’s not always, not ever all bad. But buildings are ugly.

The infrastructure

Eric Stromquist
choice, one of the things that, you know, the we’ve always appreciate, even before you went with trading was the fact that Yeah, a lot of it happened and Silicon Valley and bread I like get your opinion on this, too. But no, like it or not the expectations of the younger people that are working in these spaces. Now, their expectations are really being set by what they’re able to do with their, their smartphones, and their home controls. Right. So it makes a lot of sense that, you know, understanding what’s coming out of the West, you know, could factor into you know, how you guys think about design your product. But brother, you seen that as well, in terms of customers expectations sort of being set a dictated by what they will do with their smartphones and their homes?

Brent Lowe Tridium
Oh, yeah, absolutely, that the consumer market is really just is driving those expectations. And that’s something that we’ve kind of taken to heart with our edge program. And we’ve been releasing what we’re calling edge tools. And what we see those been our I guess enablers for people to get devices that are running Niagara up quickly on the network, get them conditioned, and get them running an application as quickly as possible, because you go out and you buy a nest thermostat or an eco be thermostat and you get that thing up and running and minutes, right, it doesn’t take a lot of a lot of skill to do. And we want to make our edge devices or devices that are running Niagara very easy to install, very easy to get up and running. And so we’ve over the past number of releases of Niagara, we’ve put in a lot of new functionality, both on provisioning and what we’re calling application templates to enable that type of functionality. So it’s really cool to see. Well, I want to hear more about that. Because I because I think the big problem, the big challenge is that, that you know, yeah, doing the homes a lot easier doing a building with all kinds of complicated diverse systems into the fact that you guys are addressing that is really, really cool

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
that the expectation are like the mobile phone, and one of those is immediacy. And in the 4.8, the release, we just did a Niagara for edge 10 there’s a functionality in there called the ACE engine. And that makes startup so much faster. Frank could probably say a little bit more about

Eric Stromquist
what I want to hear about it. So okay, look to sort of frame it up, we got a new release 4.8 part of our listeners might not know that’s a pretty big release, right?

Brent Lowe Tridium
Oh, yeah. So you know, on four dot seven, we really focused on edge 10. And getting that out the door. And you know, didn’t really offer a lot for for everybody in that release. But in Florida today, we’ve kind of circled the wagons and brought things back around. And it’s a it’s it’s a pretty comprehensive release that touches on cyber security edge, and enterprise type type customers. So we’re really excited about it just released it a couple weeks ago. And what Theresa was talking about with this new Ace engine, that’s included in four dot eight, and it’s especially for edge 10. And what this is, it’s a deterministic runtime engine for edge devices, essentially. And it’s a separate control engine that runs side by side with an aggro station. And it enables both deterministic control, as well as fast startup time. So what Teresa was talking about with the the immediacy, so if we kind of focus in on that one, you know that with an agro station, if you’re running an ad, a supervisor level, you have a lot going on in that station with taking care of different field buses of controllers, and to have that station reboot, or restart for, you know, one reason or another, it could take 510 15 minutes for that thing to come back up and start start running. And at that supervisor level, that’s probably not that big of a deal. Because you have those controllers on those field buses doing work already, right, and it’s just reporting up to the supervisor. But when you have Nagar at the edge becomes really important to be able to come back up really quickly. So you can start controlling that equipment quickly. So one of the features that’s enabled by this engine is the ability to restart device that’s running the ACE engine and have it back up and running, controlling IO within 10 to 15 seconds. So that’s a huge improvement over the minutes, the 10 to 15 minutes it would take to start up a station. So you know that that becomes critical. When you’re talking about an IRA at the edge, because you’re dealing with equipment directly, you’re connected directly to equipment that needs the correct signal sent to it at specific timing. So really excited about this feature.

Eric Stromquist
That’s huge, that’s huge. I want to really sort of, you know, go through the new update, because I know you guys packed it full of stuff. But for you know, it just reps are, you know, our listeners, a lot of our listeners are, you know, existing Niagara contractors, so they completely understand about the edge versus the enterprise. A lot of consulting engineers, a lot of building others tune in this is where they sort of get you their information. So the edge concept versus the enterprises is kind of a newer sort of sort sort of thing. So far people might not know the importance of edge versus enterprise, because Niagara is all intriguing was always dominated enterprise, you guys are your primary enterprise. functionality, you know, engine, but the edge is a relatively new occurrence, people pushing data pushing control out to the edge tower community might not know why this is important and why they should be doing a combination of both by Canada.

Brent Lowe Tridium
Yeah, I mean, so the supervisory enterprise level, you know, we believe is always is always going to be there, right. But what we’re starting to see in the industry is, is the need for, I guess, quote, unquote, more smarts at the edge, right. And what we’ve been doing with Niagara is packaging it and getting it to a point to where you can take Niagara and push it down to the edge. And when I say edge I’m talking about there’s a lot of different definitions of edge out there for us right now, believe in this in this world edge is running particular Singleton pieces of equipment. So you’ve talked about a fan cool unit, or VAV, or, or an air handler or something along those lines. And so what we are doing at tritium is pushing Niagara down to that level to allow you to control those specific pieces of equipment with that one tool that you that you know, and love, right, Niagara. And so we believe there’s a lot of benefit to that. So one is kind of mentioned it that that single tool infrastructure, so you can walk into a building and go program your Jason’s go program, your supervisor, and then go program your unitary controllers, all with Nagra, you don’t need a different tool, different laptop, a different person to do that. It’s all about cyber security, right. So as the controller space gets more into the IP world, where it is getting involved, where you’re hooking up to Ethernet networks, instead of obscure field bus networks, you know, cyber security becomes very important. It becomes involved, essentially. And so having a system with the reputation and focus that we have here at tritium on cyber security, protecting that equipment becomes critical. And it’s also about smarts, right? So analytics about our community who’s out there writing really cool. optimization, functionality, all of that can go down to the edge now, and it doesn’t have to exist just at the supervisor. And so that’s really, those are really the main value points that we’re bringing with Niagara. Well, listen,

Eric Stromquist
I want to hear more about the cybersecurity that you baked into 4.8. But But before I do that, I wanted to talk about Teresa’s favorite four letter word, data, because I think you know, you know, data and data analytics, you you alluded to that. Recently, this is a trend that, you know, we started talking about, right after you were you were building context, me and you know, part of it is and correct me if I’m wrong, want you to talk me through this, Teresa is that, that you know that, you know, using data analytics, if you’re pushing up to the enterprise, that can make a lot of sense to do the processing up there. But there’s a cost to put it up there and using it. And there’s a time delay and stuff like that. But talk about sort of the whole analytics, part of why having some data analytics at the edge makes more sense than having to go to the enterprise if you weren’t.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
Sure. I mean, you, you packed a lot in there. I would say the first thing about data. The bullet point is that once you have the one tool, as Brent describes, what building commissioners and building up Operating Engineers really want is to be able to look across. First of all, they want to be able to do analyses based on their query they want they want all the data that that to answer a specific query being things like growing it Brent’s example of bringing that fan coil unit, they want to go from the very high level what what’s our monthly energy bill to Hey, there was a spike, why was that spike. And if it’s down at the equipment level that Brent mentioned, the fan coil, let’s go down into the fan coil and find what what the problem there is. And you can’t get that edge to the higher level looking across the whole portfolio at this meter data until you got everything connected. And so the connectivity that Niagara at the edge brings just bring so much more data in. So that’s the first thing about data and analytics that you Yes, you’re not necessarily bringing every piece of information in all the time. That’s the other question. You’re getting it? Yes. Something like the Niagara edge 10 has a brain at the edge to and it can say that brain can say this data send up to the cloud, and this data will process right here at situation normal. We’re going to just leave it alone. So that’s part of the edge story too.

Eric Stromquist
Very cool. No, no makes it makes a lot of sense. I think it lends to sort of what you were saying about to breath. I mean, part of the thing about an enterprise, you know, and then pushing the data data and analytics is you have to have conductivity for that to work. And if I’m hearing correctly, what Theresa saying, and Brett, you can expand upon this, the fact that you can take certain data points that are germane to that unit via self diagnostics or be you know, tenant dependent, you can create rules or whatever and use the data to enhance the tenant experience there locally, regardless of whether you have conductivity or not.

Brent Lowe Tridium
Exactly right. So you know, that device is running full blown Niagara it can run Niagara analytics, the data that it’s processing seen, to make decisions, those decisions can be executed on that device without someone else interacting with it. And so you just have like Theresa, those brains right there, operating that equipment, and ready to adjust as necessary based on the data that’s flowing through it.

Eric Stromquist
Well, listen, and I want to cycle back to you to race real quick, because I think it also gives the ability and you know, at one level, you could almost say that this is artificial intelligence, because it’s sort of rules based. If this happens, then that happens, which is to me gets back to the john Pepsi sky foundry type in your writing rules, so that the devices smarter for both your guys perspective. I mean, we’re hearing things like you know, we, you know, threes, I think you were right, we introduced the word mesic about the, you know, the self learning algorithms, and we hear about artificial intelligence and stuff like that. So, kind of a two part question. One being, you know, it seems like you’re using artificial intelligence, and you can stop learning awkward, if you could actually pack that in your edge controller is gonna be a lot more efficient and artificial intelligence and enterprise and to bring it down. And then secondly, what do you guys think about that? Is that something you guys got on the roadmap coming in the future? Or do you already have it I just don’t know about, you have to kill me, if you tell me that type of thing.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
I mean, I think that a lot of that vocabulary is a little bit slippery. And as you said, analytics and Skype, Skype foundry is a good example. I think everybody can draw that picture in the head when we hear that word. There are, and I agree analytics, you know, we have some built in analytics to into these, and they keep getting better with each version of of Niagara, but any analytics program, it’s providing that ability to write an algorithm against this data. So the machine learning thing is you got to first of all, collect a lot of data. That can be what you would consider training data. And to train those algorithms to keep getting better and better. And by the artificial intelligence is one step further, that the machine learning the idea that you can all of a sudden, based on so much data, say the best sequence of operations for this controller is here, let’s keep it here. That that’s one level, I think we can all understand because it’s just the natural path of the controls industry, where it’s going. Artificial Intelligence is another step. And some people just mix up the words, I think. But that’s I think it after there’s so much training data collected, and it’s collected at this massive level on every hospital building, you know, some, there’s just so much work to be done. Or not even there, like we’re we’re collecting data and vertical types of buildings, and then comparing them all and deciding how, you know, what’s the best way to room run a classroom or, you know, boiler in one Casino in Singapore, and the same sign that kind of Casino in Las Vegas, you know, that, that idea of bringing up these massive amounts of data, and then making that train and training data so we can make conclusions that’s in people’s minds, but I don’t think anybody’s doing

Eric Stromquist
quite right, I have a question because their rumor is that, you know, Teresa saying you could do it that way. Or the other thing is, you could just take Ed Merwin’s brain, and just download that into the controllers, and it would automatically know what to do. So if there’s any truth for the road, you guys are calling it to brain and putting it into chip chip called the Merlin 10. Oh, 10? Oh,

Brent Lowe Tridium
yeah, I mean, tell me about that. Yeah, there’s a whole lab, you know, focused on that upstairs, right now, four floors. It’s where all the engineers are. And those guys are working hard to just clone it, to clone it

to be.

Eric Stromquist
He’s got all the diodes all over his brain, and they’re just trying to transfer what

Ray Kurzweil or whatever the guy, you know, I’m a true story. I mean, he was trying to, you know, download his consciousness to a computer or something like that. But anyway, I digress, I sort of lost a little bit over the whole, as part of that 4.8 breath, if you go back over some of them some additional benefits of that, because that sounds like that’s a huge piece.

Brent Lowe Tridium
Sure, you know, outside of that fast startup time, there’s another really key component to ace, essentially, it’s about deterministic control, which becomes really important down at that equipment level. And I think a lot of times people mistake deterministic control with speed. While the ACE engine is really fast, the deterministic control really means consistency and predictability and how a control loop is going to operate. And so you create an application to run in a specific order and in a specific timeframe. And what Ace is going to give you is the ability to have that algorithm run in that same order and same timeframe over and over and over again. And that’s not something that we’ve really been able to guarantee with Niagara proper. Because there’s things like garbage collection with Java that comes into play, there’s things like a lot of people hitting the web server and network traffic, affecting the CPU it cetera. And what that can lead to over time is latency or, or jitter, in the system to where, you know, you could be reading information from a point, and it may just be off by a couple seconds to go to the next piece of logic. And over time, that could lead to things like burnout, or were out of equipment. So if you think about an actual waiter, that is relying on very precise measurements from the IO to, you know, turn one way or another, if that latency or jitter becomes too great, that actuator could, you know, start making just small adjust months, back and forth. And it’s not something that us that end, users are going to notice, they’re not going to get uncomfortable because of that. But that actuator could wear out over time and lower the lifespan of that piece of equipment. So having this functionality of Ace down at that edge level, you know, we wanted to make sure that we could offer that determinism for these edge type devices. And so that’s the other big piece of ace. It’s it’s quick startup time, and also this deterministic control.

Eric Stromquist
Very, very, very cool. And you know, one of our favorite topics, you guys got the wizard and industry, Kevin Smith is you you mentioned it for a just sort of chock full of more cyber security type things you heard anything you could talk community about regarding that. I think they need to know.

Brent Lowe Tridium
Yeah, so you know, you kind of mentioned, you know, cloning Ed earlier, we’ve, we’ve taken Kevin’s brain, and we’ve kind of put it into Niagara as well.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
That stuff I’m doing you guys were talking Yeah.

Brent Lowe Tridium
So I mean, he kind of sits in that same lab sometimes right beside and you know, these kind of download things into Niagara.

Eric Stromquist
But by that chip and put it in my brain, okay. Me on the list by the first Merlin show,

Brent Lowe Tridium
no problem, we got you. But yeah, you know, as always, cyber security is is right at the forefront of everything we do we say that we’re secure by default. And that’s the truth there. And Kevin, you know, if you see us at conferences, Kevin’s out there, spreading that word. And what we’ve done in four dot eight is kind of taken that all those things that we’ve done over the years with security by default, with downloading things from Kevin’s brain, with the Niagara hardening guide that we have out there. And we’ve kind of made a visual out of it. Within Nagra. And so now we have this thing that’s called the security dashboard. And you can use the security dashboard from either a individual station level or supervisory level where you can see the security posture of your entire Niagara network all on one screen, and you kind of get the green, yellow, red stop light type of functionality to say, hey, you have a problem. Or you might want to check this out, or everything’s good to go. So we’re really excited about that. And we feel like, you know, what we wanted to do with this was bring to the forefront security, right? So that somebody can quickly go to this dashboard and look to see, hey, oh, I may not have something set up correctly, or, or in a way that’s been recommended for the most secure operation of Niagara. And it could be, you know, nobody’s particular fault. It just could have been left out of an implementation or whatever. But this gives you a visual indication or a key to say, hey, let’s go fix that. And how do I go fix it, you can drill down from that dashboarding to fix these things. So really, really cool functionality that brings all those things that we’ve been talking about, and that Kevin has been out there preaching to the forefront of Niagara.

Eric Stromquist
Very, very cool. And, you know, for our consulting engineers that are listening out there, you know, you probably want to include this in your checklist, right? Your punch list to make sure that you know, because it gives them a handy tool they can look at show me where we’re at in terms of security. So that’s right, please, well done, guys.

Brent Lowe Tridium
Yeah, very cool. Other things. In four dot eight, where we focused on security, we’re also supporting a two dot one x networks now. So this is something this is a type of network that we typically find in large enterprises or universities, where there is a, there’s access control to get onto the network, right. So it’s another level of security for a network. And as we get more into this convergence of OT and it, we’re going to see it pushing these types of networks more on our integrators. And so what this you know, you can kind of think about it, if you’re in a large office, you know, you have a printer that’s on the network, well, it has to speak this a two dot one x language in order to actually be on that network. And so the same kind of goes for the Jase for the edge 10, anything that you put on a network. And so we’ve enabled the Jase and the edge tend to be able to communicate on this network and and allow that security and authentication. So that’s something that a lot of our enterprise customers have been talking to us about. And we wanted to get pushed into the product for for today.

Eric Stromquist
Oh, that’s fantastic. That is fantastic. Because you’re right, we got you have it and OT combining. So there’s got to be more savvy. And you guys, obviously as manufacturers are incorporating this and what you guys are doing so well done on that well done. And then I think the other thing to Teresa, I know you guys do a fantastic job for community might not know, you guys are doing all kinds of training webinars and things like that. And plus, you know, you guys send out all kinds of updates and bulletins for community out there that might not be on your guy’s mailing list, or her aware of these things, what’s the best way for them to sort of connect with you guys so that they can keep up to date and informed?

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
Right? Um, well, first of all, I would get on our mailing list. And the easiest way I get there, there’s a special page, you know that we’re all subject now to GDPR, the general data protection Rights Act that was put through Europe, so we can’t send you anything without your permission. And so there’s a permission page. And the easiest way to access access it is go to tritium.com. And in that carousel slider, that’s on the homepage of the website, you’ll see one of the pictures that flashes by as a microphone, like, let us give you your news, the microphone like you got here. And you click on that it takes you to the permission page and then put in your email address and give us your permission. And yeah, we’ll get you on the list for

as part of the Niagara community.

Eric Stromquist
Yeah, compliments you guys too. Because you guys do such great informative webinars, I mean, you really do a good job of keeping the community up to speed But to your point, you know, keep up to speed if they if people know that they’re there and and are willing to engage with you. So I’d encourage you to do that, for sure. So again, is there a website that makes sense for them to go check that out at sea?

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
I mean, there’s also the Niagara community website, but first, there’s tritium. com.

So that would be and then

we have the new resource center. Once you’re a community, we’ve got the Niagara community.com, because there is also Niagara Community Church and they might have.org. You might, you might get lost on that page. And I hope you know how to do your gospel singing if you do, but I wish I sometimes I really wish I was going to Niagara Community Church, somewhere up in Niagara, New York,

we’ve lost a lot of good integrators to that church.

But if you go to Niagara community.com, I believe that’s where you’re going to be able to sign up for that. And then once you have that login, you have the Resource Center and all the communications that we’ve ever done, you can search and look for on the the Resource Center and that was newly organized in 2019.

Eric Stromquist
Yeah, very cool. And one of the reasons you want to do that is because cubs, and I know you could talk about this or not to race, but I want to put you on the spot anyway. There’s going to be some big, big, big goings on in San Diego, California in 2020. Can you tell us anything about that? Or is it still just

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
it is not too early to start talking about San Diego. All right, in 2019. So yeah, right. Oh, 2020 I’m sorry, what I mean, now it’s 2019. But yeah, by it by the time it’s April, we’re going to be in 2020. And we’ve got Niagara summit 2020 in downtown San Diego at a Hyatt called the Manchester high. It’s got room enough to fit us all the Niagara community, we’ve got the, the Gaslamp district, across the street, people are planning events. Already, we’re doing the big Gala. And we’re we’re there’s actually going to be a movie on the Midway about so it’s on the Midway aircraft carrier, if anybody’s been to San Diego, that’s really kind of cool. All both the hotel and the aircraft carrier have Niagara installed. So that’s kind of interesting.

Eric Stromquist
So Brett a true a true to the matter that you know, you’re going to take the Midway up for a little spin with our guest on it, you know, hadn’t been out in a while, but correct engine tough and then took it out for a little spin in the bay.

Brent Lowe Tridium
I’m sure we can make that happen. And just install a couple legends in the engine room and

Eric Stromquist
Kevin Smith, they’ll just hack the security. Next thing you know, we’re out there, but hats off to you guys.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
There was an episode of Arrested Development.

Eric Stromquist
One of my favorite shows never seen the show Arrested Development. One of

Brent Lowe Tridium
my favorite shows of all money and the banana stand.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
And I understand that.

Eric Stromquist
You know, that needs to be a code word for us when we’re talking about money don’t know about some monetary side potential gain like an opportunity. So there’s money in the Patrice, you guys do such a great job. Because those conferences I mean, you know, people that go they continue to go back for our community out there might not have been put this on your calendar, because you’ll get updated. You’ll get around the smartest people in the world when it comes to this kind of stuff. And, and even your friends at Silicon Valley are impressed when they go to their little intimidated. I mean, last time I was there, I saw Bill Gates man, he’s kind of striking on the corner a little bit because, you know, he was smart, all that stuff.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
And we’ve had it in New Orleans for a few years. And we certainly had him up in Las Vegas area. But I hope to get some of my California friends to be on the podium in San Diego. And plus, I think we’re going to attract more of our Australian friends in this venue and people from a Pax I think it’ll be a real worldwide kind of event. We’re going to put together and I’m doing it as we speak an advisory board of some of our really great customers, especially the specifying engineers, and the end users, that of them, are really trailblazing out there with with Niagara to help design the education and it’s going to be a real community driven event.

Eric Stromquist
Yeah, well, no, absolutely. Well, you guys do a great job of testers even up in the game even more. And Brett, what are you most excited about when it comes to the the event in San Diego and outside of driving the Midway Captain

Brent Lowe Tridium
captain in that, you know, I think just getting together with Niagara community you know, we were at the the London forum a few months ago. And that was it’s always a fantastic opportunity just to get in front of the Niagara community, show them what we’re doing, get their feedback, get their understanding of what’s important. And then bring that back, you know, always come I always come back jazz from those conferences, because everyone is so excited about Niagara and and passionate about it. And it’s it that passion is infectious. And so it’s fun to go to those and have everybody there have all the engineers they’re seeing seeing everybody. So I think that’s the biggest I’m I’m excited about is just getting with the community, understanding what those needs are, and then continue to push Niagara to meet those needs.

Eric Stromquist
Well, you guys do a fantastic job. Yeah, Teresa was saw a documentary The other day on the Gilded Age, which was, you know, basically when America changed, right, it was Andrew Carnegie and Vanderbilt and all those guys. And I was thinking about you guys visa v because what really made that difference was the railway railroad road system. Without that none of the other things would have been connected. And you know, it just it opened up all new economies. Right. And that’s sort of look at you guys as the rare railway station. railroad tracks that run through, you know, our buildings and our universities and our network. But

you know, the,

the common

the common network that connects them all?

Unknown Speaker
Yeah, you guys, there’s some truth to that, yeah, you got me lots of stuff to be built off of that just like lots of stuff to be built off of the railroad tracks, but you still had to have those tracks. So congratulations to you guys on it. Anything else you guys want to hit up? Before we hop off?

Brent Lowe Tridium
You know, I would say if you’re interested in learning more about four dot eight, there’s a number of training like vignettes on the Niagara University. So you can go login, it’s free. There’s, there’s training courses on security dashboard on Ace and some of the other features that we’ve released with for today. So I think that that’s a really good spot just to go check things out and kind of see what we what we have to offer in the latest release. Yeah,

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
and you can get to tritium University again through the Niagara community by having that you know, that login.

Unknown Speaker
So what am I asking you guys to do is just send me some links and we’ll put them in the show notes are people can find them really, really easily and all that stuff at Matt gas, keep up the great work push it you guys give Edwin our best. And by the way, Teresa, very special thanks, as always pretty much Come on as a platinum sponsor for the control trends awards. So you guys have been with us since day one. Every single year, the control trends awards will be happening at BB kings, combination, Super Bowl, morning control trends awards out of HR, you guys are gonna be an HR, so I’m sure there’ll be a booth there too. So another place that people can interact with you guys, but thank you for your sponsorship and your support.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
It’s a community. It’s a community. It’s a community.

Eric Stromquist
It takes it takes a cybersecurity village, right.

Therese Sullivan, Tridium
Cyber secure defense by default kind of community.

Eric Stromquist
Guys, thanks so much. Have a great rest of the day. And thanks for coming on the show. Well, there you go. That’s another week on control talk now you’re smart buildings video, cast and podcast. Special thanks to our guests Brent low and to resell them and I think you agree with me that they are really on the move and doing some great stuff. The man the myth, the legend will be with us next week. And in fact, I’m going to see him in Chicago at CGA here, leaving in a couple hours for that that’s controls group North America where all the cool distributors come to play and get to be better. So we’ll learn a lot of bear will give you a report and a breakdown on that as well. But until then, remember, be bold, stay in control, stay relevant. And there’s the part where Kenny goes indeed, and I go indeed. Kenny spires. We’ll see you next week.